Re:请教长途一个问题
这个包是我家LD在用呢，是老款的bomb pack,我让她来跟你说说感受吧。我就是这个款式，南瓜色的
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/eccStoreFront/stp/product_images/85003/F_85003_2.jpg
建议你买这个新款的，腰带要好些
http://s7ondemand1.scene7.com/is/image/SierraTradingPost/85003_30?wid=600&hei=600&fmt=jpeg&qlt=75,0&op_sharpen=1&resMode=bicub&op_usm=1.0,0.75,0.0,0&iccEmbed=0
Re:请教长途一个问题
这不是赶鸭子上架嘛。说说就说说。我原来一直是用MOUNTAIN SMITH的ANTERO。虽然这个品牌在美国的名气及不上三巨头，但我觉得它的背负也很舒服。所以背上这款BOMB PACK，在背负的感觉并没有很大的提升。而且这是个老款，相信新款和其它品牌也在不断地超越它。
这款包最奇怪的就是它的顶包了，不明白为什么要比别的包多出两个梯型扣，总觉得有些碍手碍脚，至今没弄明白其用意。
再说说它的背负。也有一些奇怪，和整个包体来说好象短了一截，刚背上时觉得背负到了肩胛那里就突然没有了。不过，经过调整后就不觉得那么明显了，第二次背时就没那个感觉了，或许是习惯了吧。
由于，这个包包容量不大，我想还是不适合背太多东西。第一次背了大约11KG，我觉得这是一个比较合适的负重。第二次背了14KG，觉得腰带老是要松，一天下来就觉得肩部压得痛。不过，我的肩膀长得也不好，锁骨太突出了。
所以我觉得，如果已经有相同容量、背负也很舒服的包，就不用特意进这款包，要进就进新款的。新款的A型腰带一定比老款的好，包体沿袭了老款紧凑的设计又加了一些有用的配件和改进了老款的一些无伤大雅的小毛病。比如加多了两个冰镐环，旧款再怎么折腾也只能放一支冰镐。从老款的图片上看，顶包的那个搭扣和另一个搭扣碰在一起，其实在使用总也是这样老碰在一起的，虽然这不是大问题，但用起来总有些不爽。新款的就没有这个问题了。
我挑了那么多毛病并不是说这个包包不好。因为如果真有十全十美的包，也只能用“爽”这一个字来形容。在没达到十全十美之前，再好的包也能挑出一大堆毛病来。所以让我来谈体验，就只能挑毛病了。
不过，这个包包的面料很好，很厚实，但份量却不重。胸带的那个小搭扣设计的很好，雌扣上加多了两片，方便戴手套操作时把雄扣按出来。新款上已全面使用了这种小搭扣，可以从长途贴的新款图片上看出这个小搭扣的款式。而且一些细微之处也能看处设计者的用心，包口那个扣紧的绳的的特殊设计，有助压实包里的东东。
总体来说，还是一款不错的包。如果没有类似的包，进一款还是挺不错的选择。
Re:请教长途一个问题
神雕侠侣，恋战江湖。
呵呵呵。。。
想知道BOMB那两个梯型扣是怎么样的，
奇怪DD怎么会忽视这些细节。
Re:请教长途一个问题
p兄也用 Alpine ltw阿，.//shakehand我去年初也在REI outlet上败了一个，的确是好包啊....
Sluskin 30 or 45本来我在犹豫中....但是已经有了Osprey的Ceres 38了，所以就暂不考虑Sluskin了。
P兄，长途领导提到的顶包的奇怪的扣的问题，不知道你有没有注意到，Alpine ltw的顶包也有这个问题，总觉得连接主包的扣订反了，而且多出两条织带不知道怎么用....
D记的包的一个问题就是外面的各种扣和织带太多了...很乱！.
Bombpack我觉得和Alphine ltw有重复之嫌..主要就是差在一个睡袋舱上...
Re:请教长途一个问题
冒昧地在这转贴绿野上的一个帖，转自http://www.lvye.org/modules/lvyebb/viewtopic.php?view=1&post_id=1051594&mode=1主题
买Dana包的人注意一下
作者
黄金狮子
时间
05-01-22 07:11:55
坏的是个Bomb，虽然是个案，不过还是请大家注意一下
http://www.nt.ntnu.no/users/strimbec/Personal/Dana/Lemon.htm
How Dana Designs failed me...
...and then came around...
Update, June 16, 2004. After putting up this web page and posting a couple of reviews on consumer web sites with links to it, I notified K2/Dana of my activity by e-mail, first to the person who had initially responded my complaint but subsequently did not respond to later e-mails. I got no response from him after a few days, so I sent another notification to Danas generic e-mail address, and got a prompt response . It took one more e-mail with reference to the facts and pictures below to clarify my position.
The outcome: K2/Dana is sending me a new pack. I know it will be comfortable and perform well at least in the short term, and I certainly hope it will stand up to a normal amount of wear and tear.
So in the end they are standing behind their product, and doing what (I think) they should have done six months ago when I sent the pack in under warranty.
I'm sure (or at least I hope) that 90+% of people buying Dana packs do not run into problems with defects, even when the packs are made in Mexico or Vietnam as they are now. And I imagine K2/Danas customer service is at least more prompt for people living in North America. But I think the story below still stands as a cautionary tale.
Here's a synopsis:
1. Danas quality inspectors failed to notice an obvious defect in a known weak point of the pack, and it was shipped out for retail sale.
2. The defect resulted in failure after a few weeks of use.
3. When I sent the pack in under warrantee, I pointed out the defect and requested replacement. Instead it was repaired and returned to me.
4.The same failure occurred again, after a few weeks more use.
5. After an initial prompt response, as of mid-June 2004, Dana Designs' customer service department has not responded to my e-mails for three weeks.
And here are some photos:
The little red triangle is the defect. On the other side of the pack, the black hypalon reinforcing patch meets the black cordura that forms the bottom of the pack, preventing the support rod from wearing through as it has done --twice now-- on this side of the pack. There was a black plastic end-cap on the yellow support rod but it was not glued in place and it fell off after the rod wore through.
Supporting details
I bought the pack mail-order from Mountain Gear at a sale price, but it was not identified as a factory second or defective in any way. I am American but I live in Norway, so to save on shipping I had it shipped to a US address and picked it up there in late May 2003 when I returned to visit friends. Before the first failure ocurred, I used it for a couple of short and one 8-day hut-to-hut trips here in Norway. The huts are supplied with food and bedding so carrying heavy loads is unnecessary -- exactly why I bought a weekend-sized pack.
I noticed the rod poking out on the last day of a weekend trip, in November, less than 6 months after I started using the pack. I thought it would stay in the sleeve until I got home, but it worked all the way through and fell out. I contacted Danas repair/warrantee service, got a return number, and sent the pack back across the Atlantic, along with a letter pointing out the defect and clearly stating my belief that the pack should be replaced under warrantee.
It took three months to get the pack back, much of it due to slow international shipping. I again used it for a few weekend trips and a 9 day spring hut-to-hut ski tour, and I again noticed that it had failed dring a short weekend trip. I took the pictures and immediately contacted Dana. I got a prompt response, from which I learned that Dana is owned by K2, by the way. But because I live in Norway I have been referred to the International Department. That was three weeks ago, and I have e-mailed the person who initially responded to me a couple of times, but I have received no reply.
It all boils down to three serious problems:
1. Dana's failure to intercept an obvious defect.
2. Danas failure to recognize that the defect was serious enough to warrant replacement rather than repair.
3. Dana's failure to respond in a timely manner to a serious customer complaint.
So, go ahead, take a chance, buy Dana..... or not.
Rick Strimbeck
Trondheim, Norway
richard.strimbeck@nt.ntnu.no
主题
很久没关注DD了
作者
pp
时间
05-01-22 23:13:45
如是实情，现在DD的品质监控，缺陷处理，售后反馈确实令人吃惊。
Re:请教长途一个问题
现在糟糕了，你们一说神雕侠侣，我就想起“功夫”，呵呵。很多事都被周星星搞坏了。Only you都变成搞笑歌了。谢谢长途LD这么详细的回复啊。女同胞就是比较细心，我用再久的东西都不会产生这么详细的报告了。Bomb看图片腰带似乎和Sluskin有点接近，是中间镂空的两块，舒服很舒服，确实似乎不太能承重。Dana的背负确实是有点特别，如果光看肩带的话，人家可能认为还比不上国产包把。呵呵。不过确实是给我背负感觉最好的包，所以到现在念念不忘。对了，那两个扣确实奇怪。
马贼兄，呵呵。Alpine是我用过的最好，最舒服的包了，绝对超过鸟鸟。哈哈。而且很人性化，外面放水瓶的装置，定级包里只有它提供了吧。不过我那个被我退了。总觉得太大了，不符合我现在的总体方向，呵呵。可是还是忘不了啊，所以看到这个bomb又开始蠢蠢欲动了。sluskin也是好包。你说的很对啊。Dana最大的毛病就是外面附件太多，很多都是不知道怎么用的。
盔甲，我觉得那个还算是个案了。Dana也是一向以耐用和服务好出名的。只看一方面的说法还是不足以下判断的。
是不是买一个呢？我犹豫中啊，唉
Re:请教长途一个问题
羡慕长途兄呀，ld对装备也那么懂。我家ld要是来写这个不笑掉大牙才怪呢（吁！别让她听见呀）P兄，买吧！即使不合适，你不是可以在ebay上小挣一笔呀！完了，测试报告也出来了！
DD的包出现的问题不知道是不是和DD老头离去有关呢！
Re:请教长途一个问题
LD说的顶包上的两个梯形扣是哪呢？看了半天没搞明白！哎，如果俺家领导也喜欢和我玩这个，那就该出绝代双骄了.........
Re:请教长途一个问题
天山马贼在2005-02-27 18:57:33说道：长途领导提到的顶包的奇怪的扣的问题，不知道你有没有注意到，Alpine ltw的顶包也有这个问题，总觉得连接主包的扣订反了，而且多出两条织带不知道怎么用....呵呵，把顶包和腰带分别拆下来，连接成一个臀包。
Re:请教长途一个问题
piloteer在2005-02-27 23:36:26说道： 是不是买一个呢？我犹豫中啊，唉我看到的好象不是打对折哦！
Re:请教长途一个问题
有个coupon code，可以打8折，35321吧。你google一下应该能找到Re:请教长途一个问题
我那个在stp买的时候是90多美元,再加上首次的5%折扣,呵呵,是不是会打消你们购买的欲望啊.Re:请教长途一个问题
你坏人好事，呵呵。顺便通报一下，STP上有付OR的windstopper手套才卖12，算上8折才10块，很划算。
Re:请教长途一个问题
我想买这件衣服http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/asp/base_no.42059/dept_id./est./qx/product.htm
谁来劝劝我省下这笔钱,好像有点重,我自己劝自己了.
那副or的windstopper我看到了,就是是M号的,可能会大,我mountain hardwear手套带s号的正好.
Re:请教长途一个问题
记得长途兄对登山是一掷千金，对徒步可是小气的可怜噢！这件hiking怎么那么奢侈呀？不过可以alpine，你还是考虑一下？Re:请教长途一个问题
小弟去年买了个Bomb的新款，暗红色，小号背负。做工设计都没的说，但背起来感觉怪怪的，一直调不到最佳状态：（小弟一直用 ceres70,后来朋友给了一个 ceres38,主要是最近要装房子，手里缺钱，所以就忍疼割爱了：）下次有机会搞个 Alpine LTW 试试.....
Re:请教长途一个问题
这个衣服用途不止徒步啊,不过我已经打消了念头了,谢谢小土替我省钱通报一下这个好东西,marmot的driclime wind shirt,只要29块,打上8折24块啊.只有女款的,不过男人也可以穿的,买大点就可以了嘛
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/asp/base_no.38313/dept_id./est./qx/product.htm
还有想买内衣的,这个duofold的merino wool+涤纶的不错,才9.95块
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/asp/base_no.13396/dept_id./est./qx/product.htm
还有衣服一样价格,整一套穿穿,真的很便宜
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/asp/base_no.13395/dept_id./est./qx/product.htm
Re:请教长途一个问题
长途，你不要误导啊。呵呵。那个是for girls，就是小女孩子穿的。小个子的女生也许还能穿，男人肯定是不行的。Re:请教长途一个问题
新款的那个织带与面料的圈型缝纫蛮好玩的...:)Re:请教长途一个问题
不好意思,罪过罪过.光注意便宜了,没有去想一想for girl和for woman的区别.不过当时倒是想了这件衣服原价是100多的,怎么变成60了.
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