讨论一下Bibler，请教Bibler达人们
周末出去，睡了一晚Bibler的Fitzroy，彻底被毒翻。TMD太爽了。回来翻翻BD的网站，发现一些奇怪的事情.
Fiztory的MSRP是699$
Ahawhnee是649$
Itent是539$
Tempest是499$
面料都是Toddtex,帐杆都是E 7075，其中Fitzroy和Tempest是4杆，Ahawhnee和I-tent是两杆。
Tempest带两个门厅，其他三个都没有。
Tempest带门厅的重量和Fitzroy不带门厅差不多。
为啥Tempest相对来说价格这么低？那Tempest的性价比也太好了，想来想去，莫非面料厚度不同？Fitzory的料子厚的和牛皮似的。
请教熟悉这几款帐的达人们解惑啊。 真是有福之人啊，可以一睹如此好营，
就资料来看Fiztory被定位于BIBLER最顶级最强悍的高山营，应付于暴风雪环境，而Tempest则定位于4季营，可能才材料与细节上确实要有不一样吧，可怜的是小弟一顶都无见过，只能同样猜测，真是羡慕的紧啊；
另外，从资料上看，Fiztory的面积要大一些，可做为三人攻顶营，而重量与Tempest相差无几（当然重量上亦有可是因为Tempest多个后尾巴与厅）
[ 本帖最后由 jameszhou 于 2006-8-7 14:36 编辑 ] 不是一睹，而是一睡啊....
晚上还是有点潮湿的，早上起来，其他的双层帐的外帐内侧都有一些露水，Fitzory完全干燥...
而且Fitzroy是有压胶的，其他的几款似乎没有，都是需要自己涂胶 看上这个帐下去远了 What is the difference between the Torre Tent and the Tempest Tent? Why is the second so much cheaper?
The Torre and Tempest are the same style and shape of tent, but are made differently, leading to slightly different characteristics. We felt that the Torre was too expensive, and we moved it to a very good tent factory in China that makes our Megamids, Betamids, and the Pinon and Juniper. We made some simplifications to the design to eliminate the most technically demanding processes. The most important of these is that the main seams of the Tempest are not sealed, and require sealing by hand.
We changed the specifications slightly on the tent, to reflect new methods employed by the industry to measure tent height. The figure we give no longer reflects the height of the highest point of the tent, instead, the new height is the highest usable space inside, that a human head can levitate to.
The Torre was our most sophisticated tent to manufacture, which is one reason it was so expensive to produce in out Salt Lake City factory. It is fully seam taped, and the T–taped door was one of the most difficult technical sewing details executed in the tent universe. Taping seams in the preferred method of manufacture, as the tape acts as the primary bonding between fabric panels, distributing the load over a larger area (than stitching) and permanently being 100% waterproof.
The Tempest has some taped seams, but the primary seams will need to be sealed with SeamGrip seam sealant (provided). This includes the top crest seam, the arch seams between the vestibules and body on both ends, and the bathtub seam all the way around on the floor. The seams are bound on the inside with fabric tape. Sealant should be applied to the stitchlines adjacent to the tape, from the inside. Since there is one stitchline on each side, two applications will be required. A full 24 hours of drying is required between applications, and afterward to let it fully cure before rolling up. More is better. Bibler tents used to be made with stitched and hand-sealed seams before taping became the accepted technology, and our experience was good – stitched and sealed tents are strong and durable, and long lasting in waterproofness when carefully sealed.
The Tempest is our best value in a tent. At the sacrifice of a few hours of tedious work, you get a very strong four-pole mountaineering tent with lots of interior space and permanent vestibules, at a reasonable cost and a reasonably low weight.
一些细微的差别
Bible Fitzroy :1、帐篷重量2850克，包装重量：3200克
2、 内帐面积：3.34平方米
3、 前门廊重量：570克（需另配）
4、 地席重量：334克（需另配）
Bibler Tempest ：
1. 附送2个门篷
2. 4根Easton 7075铝合金帐杆
3. 帐篷重量2840克，包装重量：3260克
4. 内帐面积：3平方米
5. 地席重量：326克（需另配）
还有就是杆子的交叉方式不同，明显 Tempest强度要稍微低一点。说来说去，成本还是最关键的。
[ 本帖最后由 木柴 于 2006-8-7 22:08 编辑 ] 帐杆交叉方式和压胶的问题是我以开始就发现了的。
我估计可能面料强度还是有区别，不然不会那么轻 交叉方式有何不同?
都是四杆交叉啊, 指点下 一个是5点交叉，一个是7点交叉
材料本身不值那么多钱
我觉得出于市场考虑多过成本考虑，毕竟贵的东西不好卖，需要定位稍低的产品跑量。我觉得强度对你日常使用来说 应该足够了，包括冬天的小五台、一些5、6000米的山峰。
至于7、8000米的高山，还需要自己带帐篷吗？哈哈。
[ 本帖最后由 木柴 于 2006-8-9 09:30 编辑 ] 木柴JJ说的粉有道理啊，考虑Tempest列入明年计划....
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