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发表于 2011-1-31 02:03:12 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
貌似需要翻墙有兴趣看看
建议翻译这片文章
http://www.hikinginfinland.com/2010/11/quilt-101.html
Hei Liang,

nice to hear from you! Yes, please feel free to translate it, and if possible please set a link to the original article in your forum post. I also would be curious to see the finished post, always nice to see other languages!

Greetings to China,


/hendrik




Sleeping bags are for Ultraheavy wimps which don't know better. The real UL Follower is sleeping under his quilt at night, warmer, lighter, better. A modern UL quilt is slightly different from the above description, in that they often use down as an isolator and a baffle construction, made of very fine, down-proof, synthetic shell and inner materials. Round it out with innovative extras like head holes, sleeping pad attachments, water resistant or recycled outers & inner linings and you got a tool in your UL box which you'll learn to love.

I made the switch to a quilt last year. The logic for my move was that compressed down (and synthetic) insulation on the bottom of a sleeping bag has no insulation value whatsoever - it is compressed and hence can not store warmth. Might as well then leave it out, right? Right! After all, I carry a good sleeping pad with me for insulation to the floor so compressed aka useless bottom insulation in a sleeping bag is unnecessary weight carried.

"But what about drafts?" I hear you ask. No, no, no! There's plenty of smart ways to keep drafts out, and if you use a bivy, then drafts are not a problem at all. I only can think of benefits in the quilt versus sleeping bag discussion, but then I might be biased =)

Benefits are that there's as much room as you want. Easily feel trapped in a sleeping bag? Not gonna happen in a quilt. Overheating? Easy airing with a quilt, just pull a side away to cool down. Absence of a hood? Your down pullover or jacket has one, right? How about multi-using it?! Problems drying a sleeping bag from the inside after a sweaty night? No problem with a quilt. Getting into a sleeping bag can be a hassle, that won't be a problem with you-know-what. Getting stuff stuck in the sleeping bag zipper? Guess what, a quilt doesn't have a zipper, so no getting stuck. Afraid of a wide opening at the head and critters joining you under your quilt? Most quilts come with a cinched top to trap all heat inside and leave the unwelcome guests outside. Did I mention the weight savings? Yeah, because there's no zippers, no bottom, no hood there's a sweet weight saving to be had.


My GoLite Ultra 20 has seen a lot of action, and is still as awesome as on day one.

I got you all psyched about quilts, I see, and you are ready to go and try them. STOP! Before you go dish out your hard earned cash, how about taking your sleeping bag, opening the zipper and just using it as a quilt on your next trip? That way you can test if a quilt is something for you, even if you won't get the full set of quilt benefits. After you've done that, browse this list of quilt manufacturers and find the one that suits your needs & wallet.
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The Quilt Makers List: I tried to collect all backpacking quilt makers here, but might have missed some. If so, please leave a comment and I will add them!

Nunatak is named first, for the reason that they're pretty long around, make a variety of superduper awesome quilts in a wide variety of materials and are often named as number one if it comes to quilts. All quilts are custom made, so you'll pay a lot. If that doesn't scare you off and you decide the best is just good enough for you, check them out. Go-to quilt: Arc Alpinist.

Next are Jacks R Better quilts. The two Jacks are making quilts since 2004 and have a few innovative first next to their name - head holes to wear a quilt, for example. High quality and a favourite among UL backpackers and hammock folks alike, and with excellent value for money you can't go wrong with a JRB. Go-to quilt: The No Sniveller.

Katabatic Gear is a newcomer, though they have likely at the moment the most innovative quilts with the best price/ quality ratio on the market. They looked at quilts, thought what could be improved and came out with two topnotch quilts. They round out their offer with superb accessories for quilt users like down balaclavas and bivys. Go-to quilt: Palisade 30°. Additional win: Most user-friendly and best looking website of the quilt makers.

Hammock Gear is a quilt maker for hammock quilts, though no doubt they will be fine for ground dwellers as well. They make top and under quilts, and the top quilts are interesting for ground sleepers (under quilts are wrapped around the underside of your hammock to keep out the cold and you buttocks warm). They're reasonably priced and the have some good options available. Go-to quilt: 3-Season Burrow.

Warbonner Outdoors is another hammock maker which produces top and under quilts. Their Black Mamba is, well, black, and hence looks might fine and should even be more thermal efficient, and dry quicker in the sun. Go-to quilt: Mamba 3-Season.

Arklight Design from France makes quilt/ top bag hybrids, as they aren't open underneath as a real quilt but have a piece of fabric between the wings of the quilt, no insulation in there, though. For those who're afraid of drafts, probably a good piece of kit. Go-to quilt: Walden 400.

enLIGHTened equipment should be making your quilt if you're looking for the lightest quilt on the market. Tim makes down quilts (and also synthetic quilts!) and the Epiphany uses cuben fibre as a shell & liner material, making it the lightest quilt on the market. It also will allow you to leave a VBL at home in winter, thus the ultimate down quilt for winter use.
Go-to quilt: Epiphany.
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[Edit] Titanium Goat also entered the quilt game this year, with the Cyanocitta bag-quilt. It is zipperless and hoodless like a quilt, but has an attached draft panel that can be closed up to work more like a bag, check the photos on their site to see what I mean. Filled with 900 cuin down and weighing in at 510 g, this is a very light quilt, but comes at a high price. Thanks to jephoto for pointing this one out!

[Edit] Therm-A-Rest also has a quilt-bag, the Haven. It has a hood, it has a footbox, it has 700 cuin down and weighs 624 g, but the back seems to be open so it is also a kind of quilt-bag. It looks certainly interesting, and available for as low as 190$ a cheap entry into the world of quilts. Thanks to Mark for pointing this one out!

Finally, GoLite. The Ultra 20 was a favourite among thru-hikers as there weren't many options in the early 2000s, and its price/ quality ratio was great. The new line of quilts from GoLite uses recycled materials for the shell and lining, something I welcome very much, and 800+ down. Being now also more realistically rated to -7°C, its a good three season quilt.  Go-to quilt: GoLite UltraLite 3-Season.

A few synthetic contenders we have as well.

The Backpacking Light Cocoon quilt is probably the benchmark which other synthetic quilts need to reach, being raved about by almost everyone who has used it. The UL 240 is the latest and greatest in synthetic quilts, and has been designed by Ryan Jordan himself - Nuff said!

Another well-known synthetic quilt, DIY style, is the Ray-Way quilt. Sold as a One-Person and Two-Person version with a variety of options, it is the way to go for those of you who like to make their own gear. You can choose between two different types of insulation material, a whole bunch of ludicrous colours (Pink, anyone!?!) and some more. Go-to quilt: Choose your own (but make it black!)!

Mountain Laurel Designs also offers quilts again, and their synthetic quilt for 2011 is the Spirit quilt. Andrew Skurka used one on his Alaska Yukon and said it is excellent - the man knows what he talks about, so no need to worry. Great price as well.

The Kick Ass Quilts sold by Arrowhead will make bushcraft and military folks smile - they have camo patterns! Arrowhead sells under and top quilts, as well as a DIY kit, so should be something the winter hammocking person should look at. Go-to quilt: Owyhee Top Quilt 3S.
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Quilt tricks: Read the benefits of quilts above, there's some useful hints in there already. Buy a three season down quilt for spring - summer - autumn action, and get a synthetic quilt as an addition for the winter. You want to buy the synthetic quilt a bit bigger in oder to layer it over the down quilt - in this way the perspiration will condense in the synthetic quilt, keeping your down quilt longer alive (crucial on trips longer than two nights). Its also warmer! Get a good pad with your quilt. Consider a down pullover or jacket with a hood to multiuse it with the quilt at night, or if you want to not get a down pullover or jacket get a quilt with a head hole and a down balaclava to wear them at camp. Afraid of getting your down quilt wet? Get a synthetic one. Camping a lot with your partner? Get a Duo quilt, which can be even lighter as you'll benefit from shared body heat (and is lighter as two solo quilts)! Got more tips? Leave them in the comments!

Oh, if you now think I am a racist quilt user, calm down. In that Finnish winter of ours I like to go into my serious winter sleeping bag just as much as others (once in a while!) - stay tuned for a winter gear special sometime soon!This shall be the ultimate quilt post, your one-stop shop to see all quilt manufacturers "en una vez". Are you ready?

[ 本帖最后由 mc鲁迅 于 2011-2-14 11:54 编辑 ]

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发表于 2011-1-31 10:07:39 | 显示全部楼层
我是根本看不了,能给我个文件吗?
 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-31 11:19:54 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 红军 于 2011-1-31 10:07 发表
我是根本看不了,能给我个文件吗?

我放了个压缩文件上来
发表于 2011-1-31 11:35:05 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢,收到
发表于 2011-1-31 13:41:39 | 显示全部楼层
文章不长。。挺不错的资料~~俺现在户外也一直睡被子~~有兴趣。。
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-1 11:07:23 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 psnake 于 2011-1-31 13:41 发表
文章不长。。挺不错的资料~~俺现在户外也一直睡被子~~有兴趣。。

要不同意整一票的跟个贴
发表于 2011-2-1 11:26:32 | 显示全部楼层
跟了~~Quilt maker list每个牌子的 quilt 可以收集一张照片,这样读起来爽。。。
发表于 2011-2-1 12:42:40 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 mc鲁迅 于 2011-2-1 11:07 发表

要不同意整一票的跟个贴

附议
发表于 2011-2-13 20:36:22 | 显示全部楼层
开搞了没?
发表于 2011-2-14 09:25:58 | 显示全部楼层
monkey 会和你一起做
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-14 11:39:59 | 显示全部楼层
各位大佬先选自己的段落吧 我已经用分割线分出来了
先到先挑
发表于 2011-2-14 13:11:08 | 显示全部楼层
貌似还没人挑。。。我挑第二部分吧。。。
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-14 14:09:06 | 显示全部楼层
还有个很重要的问题就是给quilt想个顺口的中文名
发表于 2011-2-14 19:21:39 | 显示全部楼层
第一部分认领了。

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第一部分
常规睡袋是给那些不知道UL优点而不愿意冒险的人使用的。真正的UL追随者在夜间睡眠时使用的是无底睡袋,更保暖、更轻量、更舒适。新式的UL无底睡袋与上述有细微的不同,由高品质的羽绒、配合具备良好防钻荣性能的面料制成。配合新型的附件如头套、防潮垫的配件、可防水或者可回收的外套和内衣,都会使无底睡袋更加保暖,是你会喜欢的UL装备里的一件。
     我从去年开始使用无底睡袋。我的这种转变是因为睡袋贝母的羽绒填充物(或者是人工合成填充物)被压缩后不再具备保暖能力—因为被压缩后无法保存热量。是否可以直接把这部分去除,这样可行吗?没问题的。之后,我开始携带性能优异的防潮垫用于隔绝地面和身体之间的热传递,这样睡袋背部的填充就变成了不必要的重量了。
    有人会问:“穿堂风怎么办”?我考虑到你的疑问。有许多聪明的办法来隔离穿堂风,当然假如你使用露营袋,那么穿堂风根本就不会是一个问题。我只想讨论无底睡袋相比常规睡袋的优点,所以可能会带有主观偏见。
    无底睡袋有你所需要的足够的空间,是否如使用常规睡袋时感到压抑的?使用无底睡袋不会遇到这个问题。过热?使用无底睡袋时调节气流非常方便,只要把一侧提起就可以快速冷却。缺少帽子?你的套头衫或者外套带有帽子,何不搭配使用?!在潮湿的夜晚使用常规睡袋时如何保持内部干燥会是个问题?单对于无底睡袋不会有这样的问题。如何钻进常规睡袋是个麻烦的事情,你知道吗,这对无底睡袋来说不是个问题,常规睡袋采用拉链,钻进时用会遇到困难,你想想,无底睡袋根本没有拉链,所以不会遇到这种麻烦。担心虫子通过头部的开放区域进入睡袋内部?绝大部分的无底睡袋在头部会有带子束紧用来隔热和隔绝昆虫。我是不是提到过减轻负重?对,因为无底睡袋没有拉链、没有底部、没头套,所减轻的重量会令人感到兴奋。
    我的Golite Ultra 20具备许多功能,是个极佳的选择。
    我猜你已经对无底睡袋感到兴奋,我明白你已经准备去尝试一下。停!在花你辛勤劳动所获得的血汗钱之前,何不考虑下你的常规睡袋,在下次旅途时,拉开拉链然后像无底睡袋那样使用?这样你就可以考察下无底睡袋是否是你所需要的,即使你无法感受到无底睡袋的所有优势。再这之后,查找制造无底睡袋的厂家清单,然后找出适合你需要和钱包的选择。

[ 本帖最后由 ST民工 于 2011-2-23 18:15 编辑 ]
发表于 2011-2-15 00:11:56 | 显示全部楼层
捡个容易的,最后一部分我来吧

quiet就叫被子吧?
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-15 01:35:03 | 显示全部楼层
那我就倒数第二了
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-15 01:35:28 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 彩云指南 于 2011-2-15 00:11 发表
捡个容易的,最后一部分我来吧

quiet就叫被子吧?

被子这概念太宽泛了
btw quiet就叫安静吧
发表于 2011-2-15 09:46:40 | 显示全部楼层
。。。。发觉已经被分尸了。。
发表于 2011-2-15 12:55:04 | 显示全部楼层
那叫啥,信封睡袋?
发表于 2011-2-16 10:24:02 | 显示全部楼层
技术点可以叫。。。无底睡袋。。。无底开放式睡袋(其实就是一条被子)。。
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