2007 Backpacking Stoves

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Brunton网站上有篇对Backpacker Editor的采访录音，题目是”正在到来的炉具革命“。有谁听力好能帮忙翻译一下吗？

http://www.brunton.com/mp3/John%20Dorn%20w.%20Mike%20Lilygren.mp3

还有，最近几个网站上都提到2007年1月（或3月），MSR即将推出新炉子MSR Reactor: Revolutionary Stove System

MSR Reactor: Revolutionary Stove System
http://www.trailspace.com/news/2006/08/11/msr-reactor.html

2007 Backpacking Stoves Preview
http://www.trailspace.com/news/2 ... stoves-preview.html

下面摘出一些重要的内容
While stoves continued to evolve over the last thirty years, they’ve mainly done so around the same technology.
Now MSR is claiming the second revolution in stoves—the Reactor, which they’re calling “the fastest-boiling, most fuel-efficient windproof stove system available."
尽管近30年来炉具不断发展，但所取得的进展几乎都是围绕同样的技术和思路。现在，MSR即将宣布其对炉具的第二次革命（第一次是指1973年推出的Model 9，即现在的XGK EX，详见原文），被称为具有”最快的烧开水速度，最高的燃烧效率以及完全防风的炉具系统“。


“Conventional stove technology is not a guarded secret,” said Jon Almquist, MSR brand manager, during a demonstration of the Reactor at the Outdoor Retailer Trade Show on Thursday, August 10. “A lot of people are making pretty good stoves” and stove specs like boiling time and efficiency have compressed among competitors. However, he points out that those specs are for controlled environments. “The goal was making a stove perform better in the field,” said Almquist, “to make a stove’s performance in the lab holdup in backcountry real world conditions.”
传统的炉具技术不能保证安全......很多人都制造好的炉子而且这些炉子在烧开水时间和燃烧效率上都不错，然而这些指标往往是在受控环境下得出的。而Reactor的设计目标是使得炉子能在野外真实环境中表现更好。


The Reactor uses MSR’s Auto-Start ignition, which fires up the stove with the push of a button, and the stove system’s burner utilizes both convective and radiant heat, for greater heat output. The integrated heat exchanger is fused right into the 1.7-liter pot and completely encloses and locks in the radiant burner to provide total wind protection.
Reactor使用MSR的自动点火装置，只需按一下按钮就能点燃炉子，为了获得最大的热输出，该炉具系统的炉头同时利用了对流和辐射热传导。集成的热交换器很好的与1.7升的罐子融合在一起，整个包围并锁在弧状炉头里提供完全的防风。

An internal regulator equalizes fuel pressure for consistent flame output in all temperatures, meaning you’ll be boiling that last liter of water nearly as fast as the first. The Reactor boils its first liter of water off a full canister in less than three minutes and its last liter from the end of a canister at three and a half minutes, a marginal performance difference. And since it burns 22 liters of water per 8-ounce canister, you’ll be carrying less fuel overall.
为了在任何温度下获得一致的火焰输出，在炉子内部有一个调整器实时地补偿燃气压力。这意味着你烧开最后一升水的速度几乎和你使用全新气罐烧开第一升水的速度相同。Reactor使用新气罐烧开1升水不到3分钟，使用快用完的气罐烧开最后1升水3分半钟，几乎没有差别。另外，每8ounce的气罐可以烧开22升的水，因此你可以携带更少的气罐。

The whole stove system fits inside the pot with its locking Lexan lid and handle for easy packing and no rattling in your pack
整个炉子和其Locking Lexan lid可以很好的放置在罐子里方便打包。


“The Reactor was designed to be a performance stove in all conditions.” During the MSR demo, he and designer Redwood Stephens put the Reactor up against the MSR PocketRocket, with both fuel canisters sitting in ice baths and with a fan providing a light 9.5 mph wind. The Reactor won easily. In fact, it even boiled a second liter of water, while still in the wind, before the PocketRocket, now out of the wind, boiled its first.
Reactor被设计为在任何条件下都表现良好...。将Reactor和MSR PocketRocket两个炉子放在冰室里烧开水，旁边用风扇制造9.5m/h的风，Reactor轻松胜出，实际上，PocketRocket在无风条件下烧开第1升水之前，Reactor甚至已经烧开了第2升水（在有风条件下）。

The Reactor is part of MSR’s Fast & Lite series.

Minimum weight: 21 ounces/595 grams
Packaged weight: 21.6 ounces/612 grams
Fuel type: MSR IsoPro/MSR Canister Fuel (Europe)
Boil time: 3 minutes per liter
Release date: March 2007 (although I also heard January 2007 from one Cascade Designs rep)
Suggested retail price: $149.95


另一篇文章

Of all the new products introduced at Outdoor Retail, the biggest buzz has been about the MSR Reactor. MSR has carried the integrated stove concept to a whole new level. On the surface it has many of the same features as the JetBoil: integrated burner, heat exchanger, and pot. However, the MSR team took the opportunity to engineer a completely new type of burner. It looks different, it heats differently, and it may shake up the stove world once again. A favorite detail: in lieu of some bland warning label, MSR has stamped the outside of the burner with their logo and the words “respect fire.” Indeed

在2007即将推出的所有新炉具中，具有最大”嗡嗡声“的时MSR的Reactor。MSR将集成炉具的概念提升到了一个完全新的水平。表面上它和JetBoil具有许多相同的特性。.....然而，MSR的设计team抓住机会设计了一个完全新类型的炉头。它看上去不同，加热方式不同，它将再次震撼整个炉具世界....

盲目HAPPY分子

看图，似乎带有简单的加压功能？

山枫

有点头重脚轻的感觉。

GRAYKNIGHT

Jetboil的MSR版本?

申城路由

原帖由 GRAYKNIGHT 于 2006-8-30 20:55 发表
Jetboil的MSR版本?

同感～～～～～
而且觉得是MSR的头重脚轻，容易侧翻版

Star_Member

听了两遍，这段对话可以分为5个item，按时间顺序大概的说说，太困了不怎么在状态，如有疏漏还请见谅：

采访人John Dorn，Retailer Show 记者；
被采访人Mike Lilygren，Brunton负责Product Management的VP。

1。
J: Hi this's John Dorn, ..., Mike Lilygren, Vice President of Brunton for Product Management, officially means he's taking charge of products development... Mike, tell us about your background and how long you been here and stove especially。 你好我是JD，现在将要采访ML (表往歪了想^^)，Brunton负责产品管理、新产品开发的副总裁。Mike，说说你的背景，来Brunton多久了什么的，还有请尤其重点说下有关炉具的事情。

M: Sure, I've been in Brunton for 6 years now, actually I came into this from retail, ... more importantly for me, I'm a expedition rock climber ... I'm  a Wyoming guy and ...   没问题。我来Brunton 6年了。事实上我原来是从事零售行业的，... 我来Brunton的原因...对我来说更重要的是，我非常热衷于攀登和探险运动，...(这厮废话比较多，而且怀俄名口音严重... 省去1000字 @.@);

2。
J: So when we talking about stove, we've been spent a lot time in last couple of years and we've seen a lot of development and change of Brunton, so what do u think of waht happened in last couple of years, what've gone, and what question and problem u've faced? And what u personally worn your own stove?  说起炉具，我们都目睹了过去一两年中，Brunton发生的变化和发展，你觉得这一两年中有什么可圈可点的事情，或者哪些曾经面临过的问题？还有，作为(消费者)个人来说，你对炉具有什么样的要求？

M: Yeah I mean there's a lot gonning on about stove, and this year's show is really exciting for stove. ... I really think there's couple things that people are stressing: one is EFFICIENCY and VERSATILITY. VERSATILITY: as a traveller, u can not take everything with u, and u will handle a lot of situation...so VERSATILITY is simply Brunton will focus on... it can deal and handel anything out there...; EFFICIENCY: not waste the stove, but also the fue... For the long-term, we all looking at the impact of stove, not only the stove but also the fuel, since we are looking for alternative fuel source.     是的，关于炉具，近一两年确实发生了不少变化。今年的这次展会对炉具来说真是令人振奋... 我认为，这一两年来，人们强调的比较多的其中有两点：1）热效率，2）多样适应性。一. 关于多样适应性，(下面这厮邮局了一堆例子：作为一个旅行者，你不可能把所有都带在身上，你要应付突法状况，你要...所以...)；另一个重点：关于热效率，这样作不仅为了避免损耗炉具，还有避免燃料浪费...  另外，3-5年内，我们的长期计划是，寻求新的替代燃料。

3。
J: May be u could tell us more about the alternative fuel source. 告诉我们更多关于替代燃料的情况。

M: You know Brunton is looking at power for a long time. One of we've looking for is portable power,..., especially reusable and renewable device u can use. (mentioned electricity)。 事实上，Brunton 一直致力于寻求新能源。其中之一是，我们正在寻找可携带能源... 还有一些可重复使用、可更新可恢复的一些新的发明。（多次提到了电能，电能驱动你的MP3，你的电脑，为什么不能用来烹调呢？这是他说的。。。  ^^）

4。
J: ... lighting, lantern, cloth... anything else? 说说照明、灯具、甚至衣物，等等其他产品吧？

M: ...need to consider order posibbility...it's changing world, so we gonna looking at not only for backpacking, but also family camping products. Like myself,I used to go solo out to the world, now I gotta can pick up my daughter on my back, so I ganna figure out how I'm gonna make it. And there're still other allication not just the backpacking, all application of cooking, if we could use battery and new fuel source, that's really make a lot of fun. 我们要考虑到订单可能性... 为了顺应世界的变化，我们不仅仅将着眼于户外背包族，也要注重家庭式的露营等活动... 比如说我自己，会经常出去go solo，但现在可能会想要(比如说)背后背着自己的女儿出去做一些轻度休闲活动等等。所以我要考虑，什么样的装备才能达到这样的目的...另外，除了背负类之外的其他的装备，包括所有的炊具，如果能够携带新能源、甚至电池，那绝对会给人们带来更多乐趣。

5。
J: Share some new products? 说一说Brunton的新产品吧。

M: New products is the driving for Brunton...Not only for seller, dealer, but also for customer, everyone's looking for sth new sth hot, for Brunton,we got 40 new products this year in this catagory, in camping area, we got AF("All Fuel", means all liquid fuel from diesel, white gaso,...)... We are expending our family camping market and our catagory should say the new turbo??(not sure) stove, ...portable lighting is really cool, LED is so hot still, 3 W for mountaineering and venture hiking。 新产品是推动Brunton前进的动力，零售商和消费者都在追求新生、流行的产品，对Brunton来说，我们今年的目录将刊载40(四十几没听清，不知道是文件顿了一下还是怎么着) 种新产品。炉具方便我们推出 “AF” 理念，即 “All Fuel 所有液体燃料”，包括柴油...白汽油...（一大堆术语）等等。我们还在拓展家庭露营市场，真如我们的目录所示，我们将推出新款 turbo(没听清是不是这个单词)炉具...再比如便携式照明工具也很酷，还有LED依旧会很火，还有为登山、探险等设计的3W 的照明系统等...


基本就是这个意思。不行太困了。大家先凑合看看。明天睡醒了看看能不能有所改进。。。>.<。。。

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[ 本帖最后由 Star_Member 于 2006-8-31 02:20 编辑 ]

灰烬

看过ＭＳＲ那个新炉子的资料，原理和Ｊ家的差不多，但热效似乎更高，容积也更大．具体情况风间似乎看的更仔细．

风间忍

MSR的容量更大.而且加热时间也不逊色.与J不同的是,MSR好像只能针对这个集热杯使用.而J是可以通过组件转变为普通炉头,其他炊具也可以使用.

其实大家如果能找到新的KOVEA的产品手册看的话,也能发现KOVEA也将会推出类似的产品.据我了解,KOVEA的产品特色在于炉体可以储存燃料.

[ 本帖最后由 风间忍 于 2006-8-31 09:30 编辑 ]

盲目HAPPY分子

原帖由 Star_Member 于 2006-8-31 02:08 发表
听了两遍，这段对话可以分为5个item，按时间顺序大概的说说，太困了不怎么在状态，如有疏漏还请见谅：
采访人John Dorn，Retailer Show 记者；
被采访人Mike Lilygren，Brunton负责Product Management的VP。
...

呵，翻得很清楚，多谢多谢。
不过用电作为户外燃料还是让人觉得有点匪夷所思。
一个炉具动辄2、3千瓦的功率呢。
从可再生清洁能源上说，貌似酒精还比较靠谱。

cachet

原帖由 Star_Member 于 2006-8-31 02:08 发表
听了两遍，这段对话可以分为5个item，按时间顺序大概的说说，太困了不怎么在状态，如有疏漏还请见谅：
...

呵呵，很详细了呀，多谢了！

alicewong444

原帖由 盲目HAPPY分子 于 2006-8-31 09:32 发表

呵，翻得很清楚，多谢多谢。
不过用电作为户外燃料还是让人觉得有点匪夷所思。
一个炉具动辄2、3千瓦的功率呢。
从可再生清洁能源上说，貌似酒精还比较靠谱。

卡卡～
happy叔叔还是钟情于酒精炉啊～

盲目HAPPY分子

FT……
我有那么老吗？

jameszhou

MSR 的2007似乎颇多期待，不晓得TENT方面还有啥好东西

dreamerz

看来周兄确实很钟情帐篷，很有话题啊。
这个款式的双人版一直是我YY的对象，记得好象是饼干已经出过标准测试报告的，现在竟然看到如此大的BC版本，实在让人惊喜！
相信这个FREE STANDING的BC是非常实用、易搭建、轻量的。
还有这种颜色搭配，看着就就的爽。

doublejet

原帖由 盲目HAPPY分子 于 2006-8-30 19:43 发表
看图，似乎带有简单的加压功能？

涡轮增压

快乐乌鸦

我们要考虑到订单可能性... 为了顺应世界的变化，我们不仅仅将着眼于户外背包族，也要注重家庭式的露营等活动...

从这句话里面看来，
是意味着MSR要从云端回到地面？
那可可怕了。

GRAYKNIGHT

原帖由 快乐乌鸦 于 2006-9-1 10:54 发表
我们要考虑到订单可能性... 为了顺应世界的变化，我们不仅仅将着眼于户外背包族，也要注重家庭式的露营等活动...

从这句话里面看来，
是意味着MSR要从云端回到地面？
那可可怕了。

这句话是Brunton说的~~~~

jameszhou

原帖由 dreamerz 于 2006-9-1 02:31 发表
看来周兄确实很钟情帐篷，很有话题啊。
这个款式的双人版一直是我YY的对象，记得好象是饼干已经出过标准测试报告的，现在竟然看到如此大的BC版本，实在让人惊喜！
相信这个FREE STANDING的BC是非常实用、易搭建 ...

这个应该就是07年的BIG DADDY
The MSR Big Daddy is an eight-person, four-door (sounds like an SUV), behemoth of a shelter for groups—large groups. It uses eight poles, 14 stakes, and has a floor area of 196 square feet (18.2 square meters), an interior peak height of 7 feet (2.1 m), and a whopping packaged weight of 64 lbs (29 kg) in a full-featured duffle. Cook, eat, gather, and party inside. It’s not going anywhere. Available January 2007

其实我对MSR未来几年的动作非常期待，从产品上看，MSR最近几年正在大跨步的修改MOSS的原有产品与产品线，带有比较明显的产品调整的味道；

WIND2，FLING， SF3都是一个体现，很欣喜可以看到MSR这样的进步，保持了一贯的自我气质，又能不断改进，真是另人欣慰

dreamerz

原帖由 jameszhou 于 2006-9-1 18:16 发表



这个应该就是07年的BIG DADDY
The MSR Big Daddy is an eight-person, four-door (sounds like an SUV), behemoth of a shelter for groups—large groups. It uses eight poles, 14 stakes, and has a fl ...

对于MSR的变化，我的态度和你是相同的，好事！
不过这款要29KG，就不那么欣慰了...

流浪到南山

还是有点意思,不过被称为"革命"有点夸大了吧
不过如果象风胸说的可以通过转换其他炉具也可以使用的话
倒是很有兴趣